masfoobar 15 minutes ago
To simplify our discussion I explained that God, considering is all-knowing and seeing, must live ATLEAST within the 4th Dimension or more. However, the conversation soon moved onto creation and who created us. It dived more into that we could be living in a simulation and other variants.
I explained that if I run a program on my computer, lets entertain that this created life. For every minute the program was running/living represents 1000 years of theirs. You see I might be considered the creator of such life but I have no knowledge of its existence. It was not on purpose nor did I communicate with anyone in that world to write a book.
I might be the creator but I am certainly not all-knowing and all-wise. So if we are created from a simulation then could we be created by a 12-year old in their bedroom? Who created the child?
If the child is omnipresence could they still be created elsewhere?
See its all fun and games having discussions like this. If we were created by omnipresence then 'it' would have known from the beginning who I was and when I would be born... and already knows the outcome of my decisions. I have already been judged!
Point is religion is a creation from our own minds. Man made God (and the bible) not the other way round. If such book really did exist we could only imagine the type of content would be in there.
Again, imaging if you were the creator with all-knowing power. You would know everyone during the life of such creation. Would you reach a point where you would visit few people to specify rules like the 10 commandments? Would you be happy with a holy book covering a simplification on how the heavens and the earth was created? Would something like the Holy Bible be exactly what you would want in your creation for everyone to follow? I am going to assume you would provide SO MUCH MORE!!
I shall leave it there. Do we really think the Bible, created by humans thousands of years ago, smothered by their world view of the times, would have any idea what the 21st Century would cover.
The answer is -- the same for us trying to predict the the year 4000. We cannot!
The bible may be historical but it certainly isn't factual.
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Comment deletedKevin_Flynn an hour ago
It's not an oracle that can see into the future.
It's not a book of magic spells.
The only power it holds is over your mind.
You decide what it means to you.
sfpk an hour ago
St. John would (and did) describe it thus because the image of the beast would appear to him to have ‘life’ or ‘animation’. It would seem to be alive. It would move, etc. in a way he had never seen or imagined.
automatic6131 2 hours ago
Either the bible is the creation mythos of a stone age civilization topped up with some books from the iron age (and thus the scribes could have no idea about the future trajectory of society) or it's completely inconsequential to the core message of the bible: you are god's creation, and your eternal soul can be saved if you acknowledge jesus as your savior and accept redemption.
Both are compatible: you still have a soul after LLMs were made after all (if you believe that sort of thing)
akagusu an hour ago
For that, the Bible is full of warns and advices.
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MadSkull 2 hours ago
Habakkuk 2:18-19
What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols? Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.
Psalm 115:4-8
Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.
Isaiah 44:15-17 (core of 44:9-20)
Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto. He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire: And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
Genesis 11:4, 6
And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Revelation 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
krapp 2 hours ago
I'm assuming this is ragebait but it does depress me to consider how many people likely take this seriously.