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Oracle is building yesterday's data centers with tomorrow's debt

Posted by spenvo |3 hours ago |55 comments

mikelitoris a minute ago

I hope the lawnmower goes bankrupt with this and the hostile WB take over.

wmf an hour ago[2 more]

I don't believe that Stargate is "yesterday's data center". It's being built in multiple phases and Oracle has access to Nvidia's roadmap. They know 200 kW/rack is coming. The newer phases could easily be built out to support Rubin and Feynman.

maxdo 5 minutes ago

The missing part is that current gpus are already money making machine in 2026 , and you need just to serve that . I’m sure this is a procurement take between nvidia and such a big vendor as oracle

sowbug 2 hours ago[11 more]

What happens to older datacenter GPUs? Do they have a second life somewhere outside of datacenters?

I could see Nvidia adding terms of sale requiring disposal rather than resale.

dzonga 29 minutes ago[1 more]

>> Oracle is the only one using debt to build the data center

Stargate is backed by the US gvt hence why they're comfortable to put that under debt financing

chb 2 hours ago[1 more]

Is it possible that the supply of used GPUs available to home builders will somehow increase as the result of this?

christkv an hour ago

This is general compute hardware as I understand it. It will not go unused no matter what happens. If new algorithms appear that reduce the number of calculations needed per token for an llm they are probably still good. It's not like silicon advances are accelerating.

If it's built in stages each state will have never variants of hardware I imagine.

advisedwang 2 hours ago

Perhaps oracle going bust can be the silver lining to an AI bubble bursting

mcs5280 2 hours ago[2 more]

The only thing that matters is stonk++

hristov an hour ago

What the article did not mention is that oracle founder, executive chairman and biggest stockholder larry ellison is currently bankrolling his kid David's bid to monopolize the entire US news industry so that they are more friendly to Trump, Netanyahu and various other right wing ideologists.

David Ellison is fueling his buying spree with debt guaranteed by his dad's oracle shares. The various assets David has bought are already suffering losses of viewership because viewers are turned off by their new ideological slant.

Usually debt investors are not worried if the stock price is high. Debt has precedence over equity, so if the stock price is riding high, the CEO can always be convinced to print more shares to service the debt. The Oracle stock price has not been doing that hot lately, however. As the article said, it is 50% down. Still ORCL has 430 Billion market cap in comparison with 130 Billion of debt. It seems manageable. But stock prices can move very fast. Ironically, the war in Iran, which David's new news sources keep supporting is causing ORCL stock to go down which can bring down David's new media empire.

David just purchased Warner Bros for about 110. A lot of that (40 billion) is also guaranteed by daddy's ORCL shares. Warner Bros owns Comedy Central, which sadly has been one of Americas most dependable news sources.

The house of cards is still standing but its getting awfully wobbly.

jmclnx 2 hours ago

to me, seems the page is gone. This could be a related item:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/general/as-oracle-plans-thou...

motbus3 3 hours ago[3 more]

Omg. Oracle taking greedy bad decisions with tax payer money? No way!

yalogin 36 minutes ago

This is a pretty damning headline and we are still talking about Blackwell. I guess that is how fast the whole segment is moving but OpenAI and only looking for the most advanced chips feels more like an excuse to walk away from this deal rather than a problem with the stack and oracle. Feels to me that OpenAI is cutting down on commitments and cost as it doesn’t see the revenue pipeline building. May be someone with more knowledge of the reality can comment and correct me